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buildup. high stakes, mistake or break, you name it. but in this incredibly tight race between two presidents, each of whom casts the other as a danger to democracy, it does seem that the cnn presidential debate in four days might just live up to the hyperbole. let's face it, how many people in america haven't made up their minds between 81-year-old joe biden and 78-year-old donald trump, and which of these two men can exceed those all-important expectationses certified by the presses? if trump did some advanced spin by denigrating cnn's moderators. >> they thought i would say, no, i don't want to do it because cnn is so, you know, it's fake news. i'll be debating three people instead of one-half of a person. howard: sometimes debates can be decisive, in the first one in 1960, richard a anybodies son had a 5:00 shadow, and jack kennedy looked young and vigorous. sometimes a good zinger can turn the tide with a tense president

carter against a relaxed ronald reagan. >> there you go again -- >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> you're likable enough, hillary. howard: and sometimes it just doesn't matter. romney clobbered obama in the first 2012 event, hillary clinton was seen as the winner in both debates in to 16. both lost the election. other times things get out of -- >> [inaudible conversations] >> that is -- >> your party wants to go socialist -- >> the party is me. right now i am the democratic -- >> they'll never nominate you, joe. you know that. >> i am the democratic party. howard: it was biden who demanded these two debates with rules in his favor, a roll of the dice that may or may not pay off. i'm howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz." ♪ ♪

howard: the pundits are making predictions, offering add advice, denigrating the other side and salivating for the start. >> i just hope donald trump can be calm during the debate. i don't want him to be rageful, i don't want him to try to leap across the lectern and strangle him with his bare hands. >> we have to make value whattive judgments -- evalwhattive judgments about not just how many lies trump told and fact checking them, but on the things that matter most -- >> in terms of substance, trump wins if he's able to enunciate it. and without the pressure to give a one-liner and interrupting because his mic's going to be cut off, i think it works on his,s on his best interests. >> if biden goes out there and messes up, it's game over. if he walks out there and a week later he's lower in the polls, it's panic in the party. if. howard: joining us now to analyze the cover an --

coverage, mary katharine ham, now a fox news contributor, i'm happy to say, and tim hogan, democratic analyst who's worked for amy klobuchar. just a tsunami of speculation by the media, but is it possible that partisans on both sides will say, hey, my guy kicked butt? >> look, i do think this is consequential, right? it feels like a starting blocks for 2024. i don't think we'll have a jack kennedy problem. i don't think either of these guys is going to look young and vigorous. [laughter] i'm prepping for this week too. i know they're hard at work, i'm prepping to build my stamina for the amount of cringe i might have to endure -- howard: you have low expectations. >> both of these guys are somewhat unpredictable. biden was a more conventional figure in to -- 2020. now the way he speaks is tougher to gauge how that's going to go for him for 90 minutes. trump has always been unpredictable, and he needs to be temp rate and focused and on point, trump, and and biden needs to be smooth and

consistent. that's not who either of them is, so i'm interested in this clash. but i do think it's consequential. the problem is that the news cycle moves so quickly, a week after that it might not feel consequential anymore. howard: i actually was worrying about that given the hyperspeak notion of the news cycle. tim, the dems say biden needs to perform aggressively. he's up by 2 in a national poll, and it's within the margin of error. because there are far more concerns including among democrats about his age and mental acuity. >> well, i think put both of these people on stage together and you're going to realize, yeah, these guys would have gone to high school together. >> 1833. [laughter] graph it's not a big difference. no rational voter is going to make a decision based on age, i don't think. but what's important for the biden campaign, this is an opportunity to show it's not a referendum, it's a choice. and like the president says, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative, and the alternative is his own worst enemy, who's

chaotic on the stage. and we'll see if he's able to control himself. hose are nice wishes for him to be temper rate, i doubt that'll happen. howard: why would trump and his allies be constantly denigrating biden, he can't string two sentences together, and then suddenly out of the blue at least to me, trump says, oh, biden will be a worthy debater, when he went up against paul ryan in 2012, he destroyed him? >> they dug themselves a hole in the expectationses part of this -- howard: explain the hole. >> if we acknowledge 67-70% of americans say i don't think this guy is young enough to continue for ott another four years, so many voters have seen this. the trump campaign to some extent is acknowledging what a lot of people see, he is much slower than he was four years ago. however, that does lore the bar for him because if he gets on teenage and -- stage and puts a good 151-20 minutes at the beginning when people are watching, he might come out

okay. one of the things that trump should concentrate on is letting biden talk. because the longer he talks, often the more tied up he gets. and trump will rescue him if he jumps in on him too often, i think. howard: i can see biden supporters saying it's about a letting trump talk because eventually he'll take some shots. >> i mean, both of them -- howard: but if biden is aggressive and cogent and holds his own against trump and doesn't walk into the curtains, aren't the media extremely likely to declare him the winner? >> yeah, because he'll have won. he won the last two debates in 2020, media declared it buttal polls of people who watched the debates. but what's most important is what gets criticized on social media after, what are those moments that really is stick with you. and last time trump saying, proud boys, stand back and stand by. and joe biden saying, will you just shut up, man? this was a productive

interaction, wasn't it? those kinds of hinges stick out. it was very weird for trump to mention paul ryan because he had debated joe biden twice before, so why is he making that the expectations? and, yes, they set the bar low and joe biden is going to perform like he did at the state of the union -- howard: oh, but trump said he was jacked up, he was on something. >> one of the -- performance endancing drugs, what is it? an extra cup of coffee? if. [laughter] >> i don't think he was great at the state of the union, but because he did the thing and he was assertive and sort of a little too loud at times -- howard: and taunted the republicans a little. okay, so, look, they're both going to be rhode islandty because neither one -- rusty. because neither one has debated in four years. does trump have an edge, because he's constantly doing interviews and fielding questions from journal is, and biden largely avoids the press? >> i think you're right that

biden often overperforms expectations. however, i do think trump is quicker right now just verbally, just rhetorically. now, that won't be as helpful because the mic will be cut off when he's not talking, but i think he has an advantage in that way. but, again, he has to to remain disciplined to some extent, or this will not come off the way he wants it to come off. howard: let me just say having interviewed trump a few weeks ago, when he wants to, he can turn very serious. some of these rally speeches have a lot of policy lately. i threw everything at him from israel to immigration. you could disagree with his answers and he took a couple of zingers, but he basically was very substantive which brings me, tim, to the question of whether or not the impact is going to -- you actually raised it, whether it will last more than a few days. can and really you talk about social media, but mainstream media, television, they're going to replay the best bites or the

best moments for whichever candidate. and how much does that play on public opinion? especially for people who who didn't watch the debate? >> right. exactly, the coverage after the debate is almost as important as the coverage from the debate, and i think there's 3-55% of people who are going -- 3-5% who are not decided, who are making a decision between trump, biden and staying on the couch on election day. it's why we're doing this in june when i think it's actually good for the biden campaign, to say there's a choice here. there's a contrast between me and trump on a whole bunch of issues, on abortion, on democracy, on health care, and to really drive home that it is a choice in this election, and i think that is huge for the biden campaign. howard: we're doing the first of the debates in june not just because of early voting, but because biden's people know he has been losing even though he's come up a little bit lately in the polls, and he needs to change the narrative. he desperately needs to change

the narrative, and is a good performance would help with that. but when they get into immigration, which we'll talk about later in the program, and the economy and inflation and all those issues, does that matter, or is it mainly personality? if. >> look, i think a lot of the moments that last will be personally-based. however, talking about issues on which trump trusted sometimes by large, double-digit margins, the economy, immigration, crime, he did about a 4-minute spiel when he came out of the hill last week that really stuck to those issues. he didn't go sideway withs, and that is -- it didn't have the flair of a rally, but some would argue this shouldn't, right? and i think that was a pretty decent performance that he could bring here as well. i also here the president's been going more energetically than it did in 2020, so perhaps some lessons were learned. and the thing about trump doing it at cnn, he does seem to be plague to win. i don't think he needed to do

this politically speaking. he could have just let biden play through the summer, he's going into what might be a more hostile situation for him, and i think that can matter to voters too. howard: right. and, you know, he's not doing the standard prep, but he is loading up on issues, and these are 2-minute if answers, so you've got to have a lot to say. >> i'm surprised we believe that trump's not doing some real pre- howard: you think this is a speak screen? >> i think -- smoke screen? >> he has to stick to that advantage, but that's ebbing away from him, right? fox news poll it cruised to be -- used to be trump al-jazeera +13 on the economy, now it's +5. it is a chance for joe biden to press -- howard: yeah, but if you want to get deep into polls, joe biden is weaker than he should be among women, blacks, latinos. all the reasons why this is so important unless it's just a one-week story.

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howard: a new controversy erupted over president biden's mental acuity after that a star-studded l.a. fund raiser when the president paused for a few seconds is and barham what took his hand -- barack obama took his hand and then, as we see here, led him off the a stage with his hand on his former vp's back. the white house responded by talking about media distortions.

>> we, and i think you all have called this, the cheap fakes video, and that's exactly what they are. they are cheap fakes video. they are done in bad faith. howard: the pundits and one of the candidates debate whether this is all a product of sieve media. >> now he's even saying that all a his mishaps were fake. they say the fake news covered him in a fake manner. >> there's a growing and insidious trend in right-wing media, broadcast, print and social media. it is to take highly misleading and selectively-edited videos of president biden directly from republican national committee social media accounts. >> they're making this veried odd argument that a somehow -- very odd argument that somehow unless you show the president for an entire hour before he has a senior moment, an entire hour after he has a senior moment, that somehow if you are splicing and dicing. howard: trying to avoid any senior moments here. marry katherine, are the biden white house -- mary katherine, are they deliberately trying to

create the impression that every unflattering video of joe biden is somehow distorted and manipulated? >> yeah, look, it's their job to spin this. and i'm happy to talk about whether it needs if clarification or should have more context. one -- two points. politically, i don't think it's going to work because a large majority, even a majority of his 2020 voters think he's too old to go for another four years in some polling. this is not a controversial position. so to unconvince people that's the case becomes very hard. but i think there's something more stintster happening here which is -- sinister happening which is this cheap fakes is termed to be not just misleading -- howard: just bogus. >> the government sort of colluding with media on these amorphous terms like russian disinformation was overjoys used, a plausible, real threat that they blow up. and in order to protect the american people from this threat to american discourse, which is misinformation, disinformation or in this case cheap fakes,

they must, oh, it turns out shut up a bunch of american people so they can't talk about this issue. one of my polls on my instagram got a banner on it this week, even though the poll said here's a clip of missing biden -- missing context. but this limits discourse by americans by trying to protect against this sort of fake thing. howard: there was the rnc pushing out bundies torted vided video. that video of obama leading biden away was 100% real and totally untouched. it wasn't speeded up or slowed down. >> right. i mean, cheap fakes is not a term that the biden campaign invented. it was created in 2019. there's a lot of a.i. involved, you just crop a video and make it look different. but it's also an editorial decision which is interesting, we didn't show the part where trump called them clean fakes.

he mixed up his words -- howard: right. >> we didn't -- i saw on fox business earlier today talking to ronny jackson, his doctor, he called him ronnie johnson at a rally. that's not his tame. -- name. it is not just one video at the ap which you can interpret whatever way you want, biden likes to stick around, take in applause. he's talking to a bunch of people, but it is example after example, the g7 example, him in france where they say, oh, he's sitting in an invisible chair. look at it from a different angle -- howard: that was a complete fabrication. but is -- >> it is manipulation. howard: but if the biden team pounds away at right-wing media can and says it's all their fault, can it make people discount any images where he looks a bit confused or frail? >> i think that's what they're attempting, and i don't think that's the right thing to do. first of all, to draw attention to all these videos -- howard: oh, yeah, millions of views. >> left-leaning advocates are

doing side by sides, and i'm, like, if you think this is a good idea for people to watch this over and over again, feel free. if you look like chuck grassley on stage, we wouldn't be having this conversation. it is a bit of a rorschach test because people who are friendly will give him more of a pass, and people who are critical will be more critical. however, it shouldn't exist because he's an older guy and because people have those concerns. that is a problem for the campaign. howard: at the same time, the constant the media noise about this -- probably including this segment -- keeps it in the news, and then the danger for president biden and his campaign is it becomes a narrative, doesn't it? >> yeah. i mean, there was already a narrative around his age. i think there are a lot of accounts, you know, rnc accounts that push these clips at juneteenth and, you know, the issue is, oh, he's frozen when in reality he's just not dancin- [inaudible conversations] we would be talking if he did, oh, look at him dance so weird. howard: that's an offense, not to dance? >> exactly. it gets hyped up by accounts and

media on the right, and then other media downstream pick us up. -- pick it up. howard: i remember when dan quayle was running for vp and misspelled potato, any little thing he did got plaid up. and, of course, with biden, he's 811, he has slowed down a bit, and that's fair game. 81. it should be part of the campaign. but the way in which this is being mushed together so that everything is suspect, nobody trusts the media anyway. >> i think if your idea is to tell people you're not seeing what you're seeing -- howard: that would be called an uphill battle. mar katherine ham and tim hogan, thanks so much. up next, a newsroom revolt topples "the washington post"'s next editor before the british journalist even takes the job. ♪

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an extraordinary act of aggressive reporting has knocked a british journalist who was supposed to take control of the patient out of a job. the deputy editor of london's telegraph has withdrawn from the job of post editor after the paper reported seniors ethical questions about his u.k. career including working with a self-described common thief. the announcement by publisher will lewis who's also facing allegation as from the british phone-hacking scandal comes after jeff bezos backed his new team and assured the staff that the paper's standards will not change. joining us now, griff jenkins, fobs news national correspondent and anchor -- fox news. and i think the turning point came when longtime post editor david maraniss posted on facebook that robert wisconsin net and his refusal a, if we can put that up, to answer all questions -- any questions, actually -- is inexcusable and unacceptable. the body is regenting the transfusion -- rejecting. how incredible is it that the post's own reporters knocked this guy out of the box? >> it's unbelievable. and you can't overstate how

significant this is, because here is one of those revered newspapers, "the washington post", of watergate fame -- howard: pentagon patients, yeah. >> -- five months out from an unprecedented presidential election, and and this publisher has lost the total confidence of the newsroom and, obviously, people that a used to work there like maraniss. but, you know, i looked in the paper today, howie, on age a55 there's a 3,000-word dive into lewis' business practices in the middle saying lewis didn't respond to questions from the reporters. this is shooting inside the tent, and they've got a real problem on their hands. howard: and it's not over. so post publish will lewis who worked closely with his london pal also facing questions about a his role in the british phone-hacking scandal based on reporting. and whether it's that or robert washington net working with a private eye type who says he's a common if thief, does this indicate a broad gap between fleet street and american media ethics? also not that a great.

>> i had never learned the term blagging which refers to when you misrepresent yourself. it's usually associated with tabloid journalism, but all of the people including post journalists that are digging into it are finding ways to tie the two to recent things that happened 20 years ago, and it's having an impact right now on the reputation. there's two questions here, howie. number one is, how does will lewis turn this newsroom around and fast, and the larger one is, what does jeff bezos do to store the respect and reputation of "the washington post"? howard: right. and, you know, look, there are a lot of very, very, very good british journalists both here and across the atlantic, so, you know, things that they yawn at like blagging which i didn't know either, obviously, and paying for stories not done by reputable news organizes. i'm sure the withdrawal was approved by jeff bezos. his paper lost $77 million if

the last year, losing a lot of subscribers, and he's talking about a new business model, and that's fair because you can't continue to have that kind of red ink. does jeff bezos need to speak out, get in front of his camera? has his reputation taken a hit here? >> he absolutely does. and there are some reports he's considering a sale. i know nothing about that, but he's got to make a decision because this town is driven by power and politics, and the washington post has been at the top of the list for decades in holding those people accountable. and if bezos can't get the reputation back and do something, put up a different model to not only engage readers to buy the patient which is the business model they've lived on, but also for people to take them seriously, if you were in in this town and a reporter from the post came to you, you're thinking, wait a minute, do i want to give my confidential information? can i trust it? what's happening there? the problem is on multiple levels. howard: yeah. i don't see bezos selling just yet. i think he wants to make another attempt to turn it around, but

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howard: when president biden unilaterally declared he'd give work visas to half a million undocumented spouses married to american citizens, it drew plenty of coverage. the details had already been leaked, and what began as a positive appeal if turned into an attack on donald trump. >> -- announce if a common sense fix to streamline the process for obtaining legal status for immigrants. these are the fears my predecessor's trying to play on when he says immigrants. his words are poison the blood of the country. when he calls immigrants, in his words with, animals.

howard: the former president hit back, of course, and the comment if taters are fired up. if -- commentators. >> biden amnesty is a direct attack on american democracy, and yet another example is how biden and his communists are demolishing our constitutional system and replacing it with a corrupt and fascist regime. >> the reality is he's governing by political panic. if this is such a great idea with, why didn't he do this on day one? >> he had to do it because republicans prove time and time again that they were unwilling and uninterested in actually solving the issue. >> does this man hi that any of the rest of -- think that any of the rest of america, people who are citizens and came here legally, do they have any dreams? or can we just say tonight that those dreams don't count? howard: joining us us now in utah, jason chaffetz, former republican congressman, and fix if news contributor, and here in studio, ari aramesh, a democratic analyst. jason, in picking undocumented spouses that have been here at

least 10 years, married to u.s. citizens, didn't joe biden target a sympathetic group? >> but it's still amnesty. what's forgotten are the people trying to to come here legally and lawfully. democrats controlled the senate, the house and the presidency the first two years, they didn't do anything. and for three years they told us they had operational control of the border, that it was safe and secure. all those things were lies, and you're doing this in a crass way right before the election, and people see through it. it's a transparent thing. and i think it's wrong. i think america knows they cannot sustain this amnesty and this unbelievable flow by the millions of people illegally into the united states. howard: wellst it's not instant amnesty because they still have to go through the process, but they get to stay in the country. ari, when a democratic president stretches the bounds of his authority, republicans complain. when a republican does it, the democrats complain, and the media complain. true? >> well, there's going to be

litigation. you know that. it's an election -- howard: ', there's litigation on everything. >> if you're a good lawyer, litigation is a good thing. let's back up a little bit. on immigration, unfortunately, the radical left wants everything and the radical right wants nothing. the room for compromise9 and the window for compromise is so narrow. we had a decent bill that went through the senate. some of the most key members of the senate -- conservative members endorsed it -- howard: and it got shot down. >> and it got shot down. again on the left are, no, we can't have border patrol, we have to give amnesty to everybody in this country. on the other hand to, the right is always talking about mass deportation and shutting down the border. we know that true compromise, the reagan-o'neill compromise is somewhere in the middle, and that's not happening. last but not least, this year the achilles heel of the democratic party is going to be immigration. we're losing this debate. howard: all right -- >> this is going to be a major issue. howard: ari misses the reagan

administration. [laughter] jason, what about also providing work visas for the dreamers under the obama program, came here as kidsesome do you think they should be deported? if former president trump is talking the a lot about mass deportation. >> yeah. and, look, these are difficult issues, but navy got to go through congress. -- they've got to go through congress. you can't just unilaterally as a president deem these things. when joe biden in his first 100 days issued more than 90 executive orders, even nancy pelosi was going to the microphone and saying, i'm sorry, you can't do this unilaterally, you have to go through congress. that's what has to happen. howard: well, interestingly, donald trump has taken at least a step on legal immigration after the biden move by saying any college graduate should get a green card. but as a cnn commentator said we saw at the top, ari, doesn't it look blatantly political to do this fife months before the

election? >> it sure does. and look at the number of people we're talking about. we're talking about 500,000 spouses of american citizens. so we have 500,000 american citizens whose spouses are undocumented. look at a nevada and arizona in particular. each state has about 100,000 people that fit in that category. president biden won in nevada by about 2.6%. he won arizona a by a third of a percent. that's a pretty narrow margin. that's 10,000 votes. so the question is though how many of those voters are already democratic? probably most voters are democratic this in those families. secondly, how much votes are we losing now in pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin by bringing this up five months before the election? those spouses, the undocumented ones, are not going to have the right to vote right away. it's the going to take some time, they're going to go through a background check. is it political? yes. how much is this going to fire up our base in arizona and nevada, but again, how much is

it going to backfire and fire up the republican base? howard: that biden teach took a very sharp -- speech took a very sharp turn. it was donald trump having separated children at the border, but the press ignored that part of the speech. >> well, look, what's offensive is the amount of people that are dying with fentanyl, the human trafficking, the fact that they can't find nearly 100,000 undocumented underaged kids. where are all a those kids? i mean, the inr cities are dealing with this. they're seeing that they're moving away their schools. there's this huge influx of people that are going into these schools that don't speak english and are suddenly disrupting these schools. and then you read about the rapes and the murders and the if aggressive nature that some of these people, some of the most nefarious people in the world are coming to this country. yeah, joe biden may have given some snarky comment to donald trump, but america feels this, and they feel it more in the

inner cities than anywhere else. and joe biden is tacitly -- he's responsible for it because he's invited them, and he continues to give them offers and incentives instead of locking down that border and rejecting amnesty. howard: just briefly, ari, a media question. ic gration, biden's worst issue, by far. there's the sympathetic coverage of these latest moves, does it change that? >> not at all. i think if you ask the average a american voter, they think our immigration system is broke if withen. i don't think president biden alone is at false. the -- fault. the republican congress, republican administrations prior to this administration, we have all a come a long way to get to this point. howard: but -- [inaudible] gets blamed. >> yes, the buck stops here, i get that. but demonizing immigrants, the vast majority of people who come to this country, legal and illegal, your family, everybody else's family came here at some point, they're great people. we've got to do something about a this border. i have yet to hear about this from legal immigrants who say,

you know what? this is not working, but even we can't demonize -- howard: appreciate that analysis. trump also taking incoming, excuse me, from the other side. the editor of variety, author of a book on the apprentice says trump had severe memory problems that, in fact, if we could just get the camera back on me here, that -- oh, you're showing the book. okay, my bad. that they spent hours together, and we went back for another interview, trump couldn't remember who he was. the trump camp disputes that and says this guy is insignificant. of after the break, a major magazine rips women in politics as hypocrites who hate men. congress congresswoman nancy mace responds next.

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howard: in new york magazine, liberal writer rebecca traister accuses republican win of old fashioned political hypocrisy,

serving a party that has a never been more openly hostile to women and their rights. one of the women quoted in the piece is congresswoman nancy mace, and she joins us now from south carolina. congresswoman, the author seem to have been fair to you, first female graduate of the citadel, but what do you make of theser is yo types, quoting here: torn between femininity and testosterone-driven rage as well as slavishly following donald trump. are you suppressing your testosterone-driven rage? >> this reporter is completely unhinged. this is at a exoomple -- another example of an activist reporter seething over donald trump and the support he's given by women all across the country because there are many women that support donald trump. and the other thing that they said is now myself and oh republican women who are very vocal within the party, that we're somehow subservient to the party, and nothing could be further from the truth. i don't think subservient is a word i would use to describe myself. in fact, i just took out the d.c. establishment a week and a

half ago or so. i've taken on powerful people and powerful forces in d.c. and even within our party in one -- and and one resoundingly. so subservient isn't the word i'd use to describe someone conservative and vocal within the party. howard: rebecca traister quotes one republican in missouri saying femmenies -- feminists end up alone with three dogs and no husband. i know you have one dog, but this is not aimed at you. >> i have a great relationship with my two beautiful kids' father. i've taken on -- can i mean, this is just an example of how the leavitt treats women. the left hates women who are individuals or who showcase their individuality by not conforming to forces within the party, women that speak out. and, in fact, as you know, we've talked about it, air taken -- i've taken on the my misogyny of george stephanopoulos as a republican woman who's fought if for victims of rape and incest,

of those kinds of things. and, look, the left through this article and other articles they've written about women hate us because we are outspoken, we are individuals. they're the ones that want to put men in women's locker rooms. they're the ones that are subservient to hamas, right? these people are unhinged and crazy because donald trump is going to win in no. howe concern in november. howard: you've always a worked for a living. does that make you not feminine? >> right. i've been working since i was a teenager. my first job was as a waitress at a waffle house. i love and hope my daughter goes on to work her entire life as a well. i think work ethic are good values to have as women and men. i can speak for all a american, men and women alike, because there are only two genders, but you have you have that -- if you have that hard work ethic, you're going to be successful in life. howard: new york magazine casts it as almost a betrayal for women to be in a largely

pro-life party. you've spoken about compromising on abortion in this election. >> well, it's really important that we look for middle ground. the vast majority of americans aren't for abortions at nine months. they also don't want zero weeks. and so where is that middle ground whether you're pro-life or pro-choice? somewhere in the second trimester almost all of us agree. we also a want to have protections for women who are victims of rape or girls who are victims of incest, we want women to have access to birth control and ivf. all of those things we need to find a middle ground on and showcase and talk about them as donald trump has said in november. this is an issue on the ball ballot come the fall. howard: but if you are in favor of, let's just say, no abortion abortions after 15 weeks, somewhere in there, didn't donald trump give states the ability to just virtually ban abortions even without exceptions because his justices, of course, as he takes credit for, are the ones who helped overturn roe v. wade? >> well, now the decision is in

the hands of the states. until both sides are able to come together and build consensus. and, look, the democrats and the left had a supermajority just a few years ago. they could have codified roe v. wade and decides not to. they wanted to use it as a wedge issue. whereas it's republicans who want to protect life and women at the same time. i've been very vocal about this within the party to showcase how we can do that. and that is a winning message for us all across the nation come november, but we have to be willing to talk about the it. howard: the article notes that you have said that the hunter biden -- and i'm quoting here -- has no balls. [laughter] the tone of the piece was, how dare you as a woman use such language. >> well, i mean, i'm only pointing out facts here. the guy showed up and defied his subpoena, he showed up with a camera crew from netflix or some streaming service and defied the institution, spit in the face of hard working americans. when you get subpoenaed, you show up before congress. he showed his privilege card

because he's the son of a president that he is above the law. and somebody had to call him out, and i was more than happy to. howard: including using that kind of language? >> absolutely. howard: i mean, males on television use it all the time and nobody cares. >> i mean p as a woman, i can just -- do just as well as a man can. that's always been my message. i think people don't understand me sometimes, i'm like, no, let us show you how hard we work. i can be just as hard and fast and quick as anybody else. and hunter biden, he earned it that day. howard: all right. congresswoman nancy mace, thanks very much for joining us to talk about this article that's gotten a lot of attention. >> thank you. howard: still to come, the most cringe-worthy daily show interview ever, and the amazing legacy of willie mays. muck. ♪ ♪ so i hired body doubles. 30,000 followers tina in a boutique hotel.

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howard: i just lost my job as chief prosecutor in the georgia probe because of my romantic relationship with d.a. fani willis, i think i'd stay off tv. this guy went on the daily show. first question, what about the affair with fani? >> don't label it an affair. d.a. willis is a respectable mother, a brilliant legal mind -- >> right. >> we spent countless hours preparing this case -- >> countless hours, i need a foot rub and you know, rub your foot, i'm going to give you a massage and all of a sudden, boom, boom, we up on this desk. man. [laughter] >> no. howard: absolutely humiliating. no matter how much you crave the

spotlight. when i think of willie mays who just passed at the age of 93, i think of the catch on the dead run in the 1954 world series. still amazing to watch. i think of the say hey kid who started out in the negro leagues and despite military service, hit 660 major league home runs finishing only behind babe ruth. >> i was ahead of ruth when i was young. i had to go in the service for two years. i didn't get to 714. i should have got to 714 without any problem. howard: and the tributes to this singular charismatic figure have been amazing. >> you could say that ted williams was a greater hitter. you could say that his greatest contemporary, hank aaron, was a greater hitter. you could say, if you want to look past the steroids, that barry bonds put up post-steroid numbers that were better than willie mays. but with i think the general con sense us is that willie mays is the best all-around player who

has ever played. howard: he was more of a unifying figure than jackie robsonnd -- robinson. he stay stayed out of politics. he started with the new york giants and even at 4 the with a bum knee as a he finished his career with the new york mets, he was making some errors but managed to get the key hit in the '73 world series. as one sports guy put it, willie mays if was michael jordan before there was jordan. that's it for this edition of "mediabuzz." subscribe to my free, daily podcast, "media buzzmeter." i riff on funny story, bizarre stories. check it out. and if you're in the east coast, we're in this incredibly horrible heat wave, 99 today in washington. good luck. stay cool. we're back here next sunday, 11 eastern. we will see you all then. ♪ (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. (aaron) so whatever's next...

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